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April 18, 2010

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Menggoh

Scott, great post. CMO who doesn't realize this is going to get left behind. My particular division is structured similar to what you suggested here, but our focus is really data and analytic. My group serve both product management and marketing (my team). Our sole focus is to provide marketing data by working internal and externally (separate analytic team sits within marketing work on campaign ROI). Think of us as technology/product management group for marketing department, we define all the requirements, innovate and work with engineering/IT to execute and deliver. Sort of like a Oreo cookie, we are the cream in the middle with marketing and engineering on each side. It's extremely difficult to hire technologists who understand digital marketing.

Joe Zuccaro

Excellent! This is indeed a Marketing Manifesto that should be read by all who claim to be Marketers.

Today's Marketing organizations need to transform themselves in order to survive. Transformation means adopting the technologies that allow Marketers to better gather, store, analyze, share, and act upon data. Data that drives revenue.

It's not just about that though. It's about achieving "information superiority" over competitors, and getting the right information to the right people both internally and externally at the right times.

Congratulations Scott, you made it to The Marketing Consigliere blogroll!

Boris Kraft

Outstanding post. It puts in words what I have been living in the last couple of years, and then some. Right now, I am formally CTO in lack of a better title. My main roles are "Head of Marketing" and "Product Manager", and I sometimes have the problem of describing why this makes sense. Now I can just point to your blog post ;-)

And maybe I should just adopt a new title.

BTW, I am hiring technical staff for my marketing team (apply here: http://www.magnolia-cms.com/jobs).

Scott Brinker

Thanks for the wonderful feedback!

Meng and Boris, it's great to hear that you are tackling this role, albeit with different titles and/or boundaries. Yours are excellent stories to hear, as I suspect a number of marketing groups are moving in this direction -- it makes sense given the state of marketing. As these roles gain more visibility, momentum will only build.

Joe, it's an honor to be on The Marketing Consigliere blogroll -- thank you!

Ron Wright

Great post. It really sums up the state of things today. The plethora of choices in marketing technology and methods is only going to become more complex.

Knowyourfiles

Scott,

great post. But you describe a profession that is long established: PRODUCT MANAGEMENT! In this discipline, you have "outbound" and "inbound" guys.
"Inbound PMs" sit together with the engineers and leverage the technology. They know the customer and the market inside out, and they are the ones that can help form a product the customer wants.
"Outbound PMs" are the folks that are interfacing with MarCom and formulate the message that goes to the targeted audience.

There are a number of certifications for PMs out there, by different organisations (AIPMM, Pragmatic Marketing, Blackblot etc.).

BrianMakas

Well said!

I made the transition from IT to the "techie" in marketing a number of years ago and couldn't agree more.

Although it's sometimes difficult to explain the position / the importance of being involved in new initiatives from the start (as opposed to coming in "once technology is needed") it's a very rewarding profession and I've never looked back.

nishland

Finally a great outlook on the growing field! I appreciate the ideas expressed here.

Jesper Åström

I just wrote the following comment on sphinn:

"It doesn't bring anything new to the table. Yes, it presents itself as though it is, but technology has been a part of marketing since marketing begun. The technology has changed over the years. From stone, to paper and pen, to paper and press. From radio, to tv and now the Internet. The need to understand these medias have been as important throughout the history.

Why separate technology from the creative process? If you don't have a CTO that can converge the communicative will of the organization into technology, then you need to fire the CTO rather than hire a person to cover for him/her. So, do CTOs need to understand marketing - yes!! But should you create a new role within the technology infrastructure... probably no."

Scott Brinker

Thanks for the kind words Ron, Brian, Nishland.

"Knowyourfiles" -- I've known a lot of product managers, who do a fantastic job at the strategy and communication around their roles -- but actual engineering skills usually aren't in their skill set. (Particularly for non-technical products.) But again, I would expect product managers and corporate marketing leaders alike to retain the mantle of authority for what they do -- the budding technology team(s) within marketing are simply there to help.

You make a good counterpoint, Jesper. I think there is a question as to whether the universe of technology in which marketing is now operating is analogous to other shifts in media. In my humble opinion, I think it's more than that -- at least once you get below the very high philosophical level.

I think we agree on your second point though: I believe that technology should be more tightly integrated with the creative process. That's why I think marketing should have technologists under its umbrella, rather than separated by the organizational distance -- and often a big cultural difference -- in the IT department.

With agencies, particularly interactive agencies, that's probably less of a concern, as they've synthesized creative and technology together for a while -- in many ways, I think they're an inspiration for what in-house marketing departments can achieve. (Although many of the "internal" technologies discussed in the slide presentation go beyond what outside agencies are usually able to address.)

David Dalka

Good post, very aligned with one I was going to give but had to back out of SIS at the last minute. What you suggest raises a number of thorny change management issues in the organization. As all good, fresh ideas do it raises more questions than it answers...

How do we enable position specs to be written so that more and more people with generalist and broad skill sets are coveted?

How do we awaken recruiters and hiring managers to realize business focused ideas and execution matter more than job titles?

How do we create organizations that reward and embrace new and highly misunderstood skill sets like search at the top of the process rather than working to maintain the status quo?

That is just a few that come to mind immediately! There is plenty more of course...

Philippe Cardyn

Excellent post. We have been evangelizing & selling marketing automation in the cloud here in Belgium for the past decade. Most marketers we talk to do get the idea, but aligning other functions in the process (sales, channel management, IT) can sometimes result in sales and implementation cycles that span years instead of months... Having techies in the marketing organisation with access to the decision makers could surely help.

Jonathan Mendez

Outstanding Scott!

Briangroth.wordpress.com

Joe Zuccaro summarizes it right: This is the start of a great "Marketing Manifesto" for the new world of digital marketing.

rohetherington

Scott, an excellent slideshare presentation and great post. Very thought provoking!

In the context of a large organisation, I like the idea of having a Marketing CTO (CMT) in each region/country because the marketing teams from the country would then have one 'point person' to reach out to for guidance.
i.e. the CMT would be the local marketing team's contact person for the plethora of locally relevant marketing technology products and services (Internal technology, External technology and Product technology)

My perspective on how this could work:

- The CMT could work with the local marketing teams to understand local marketing requirements and then work with the global and local tech teams, marketing teams and agencies to find the best locally relevant technology solutions (& work with global counterparts to negotiate preferred rates etc).

- The CMT could effectively 'consult' to the marketing teams and present them with the marketing technologies that would best meet their objectives.

- Where multiple marketing teams within a country are using the same technologies / tools, the CMT could facilitate best practice sharing and, where possible, collaboration to create efficiencies.

Does this sound right? It will be interesting to see how this area develops. Thanks!

Scott Brinker

Hi, Ro -- thanks for sharing your perspective!

You raise excellent questions about the different ways to scale technology leadership in marketing across large organizations (such as IBM). I suspect that the answer is "it depends" on the overall structure and culture of the organization -- how are the different facets of marketing already distributed across business units and geos?

The ideas you suggest sound like a great place to start the discussion.

This opens up the broader issue of governance: how to systematically structure the decision rights of marketing technology among many stakeholders -- for instance, product/unit vs. corporate marketing, geo-specific vs. global operations, IT vs. marketing, etc.

Again, I don't think there's a single best answer -- there are trade-offs in each direction -- and the governance models you adopt impact your strategic capabilities. Different organizations will choose different models as a way to distinguish themselves.

However, if I had to pick one model as a starting point, it would be a "federal" approach that distributes considerable authority to the "states." I think local/unit control over technologies at the top of the funnel (e.g., search advertising and landing pages) makes more sense; while technologies deeper in the funnel (e.g., CRM) make more sense under centralized control.

There's a terrific book by Peter Weill and Jeanne Ross called "IT Governance" that provides a good overview of these different models. Although it's very IT-centric, I think it's a good starting point for similar discussions around marketing-centric technology too.

Claudio Iacovelli

In the post there aren't any particular technologies for competitor and predictive analysis ('web content management' is too generic), the CRM platform is useful for 'upsell - cross sell analysis' and 'churn analysis', but every company must develop a deep knowledge of competitors and must predict the market transformation, with day-by-day analysis and Open Source Intelligence methods. About back office systems, they are crucial because they must assure the processing and the quality of market/customer/competitors data.

Scott Brinker

Hi, Claudio.

Thanks for pointing out that the field of competitive and market intelligence was probably underrepresented in my presentation and post. I briefly mentioned competitive intelligence as an internal technology in the 3 spheres diagram, but truthfully, that was just picked as one example out of a large number of possible ones.

That actually is my larger point: the scope of marketing technology is huge. Larger than one generally thinks of day-to-day. But even when you sit down and try to come up with a comprehensive list, there always seems to be one more subfield -- and certainly always one more company -- that comes up.

And given how fast this industry is growing, in all directions simultaneously, that's just going to get more challenging in the years ahead.

But that's what makes marketing technology such a fun space to be working in!

Andy

Thanks for an excellent article.

I am in total agreement that there is a very real, but largely unseen, need for people who understand IT and marketing.

I've been an IT techie for 17 years and recently made the leap to the Search Engine Marketing world.

My background in data analysis and IT Systems management give me a perspective that the marketing department doesn't have. I've employed the philosophy of Agile methodologies to provide actionable information to the business (by getting the right information to the right person at the right time... as one of the previous comments stated) quicker than requesting IT to provide them.

I've also written programs to generate massive ad campaigns, and once I manage to get huge volumes of Adwords data into a database I'll really be able to add value.

My thoughts are that traditional Marketing departments that are dipping their toes into the digital waters won't know what's hit them once the Software Houses finally engage in this field and pull in marketing knowledge and talent.

It's an exciting industry for sure!

Andy

Warren Lee

This is quite true. It makes more sense for smaller companies and start ups, but if there is a CMO and CTO in strong collaboration, then this can be accomplished between them as well, then the CTO may be accountable to technology that makes more over arching sense, and the CMO to traffic etc. In any case, I can cite many examples of where it is important for the CMO to leverage technology especially for SEO!! Such as in decisions whether or not to invest in CDN hardware or whether or not to use .net platform and its impact to SEO and so on. GREAT POST!
WARREN LEE - http://www.seo-cubed.com

Scott Brinker

Thanks, Warren.

I agree -- there's more than one way to configure a team to achieve this outcome. A great collaboration between a CTO and CMO could be quite successful. But we're on the same page with the overarching goal: CMOs must leverage technology as a new dimension of the marketing mission.

Ken Romley

Great post. The importance of utilizing technology for marketing professionals is only going to increase over time. Unfortunately not every organization has the resources to afford a marketing CTO. One possible place to look for help is to a companies vendors. A lot of the best brands have been spearheading efforts to leverage their marketing expertise for the benefits of their channel partners. Just another way of addressing some of the same challenges that you discussed.

DonRua

Still a great post, a year later. Thanks for putting together the presentation.

I agree with other comments that the role is similar to Product Management of a suite of technology products. The 'tidal wave' aspect of technology integrating with marketing is truly upon us. Mobile, social, ideation, predictive markets, video everywhere, big data, it's all exploding and layered with a startup innovation cycle on steroids. What an exciting time to be in the mar-tech world.

Alessandro Brunelli

Yeah, I think many here will feel that in our daily learning we are all becoming, with all due modesty, a bit marketing techologists (the "Chief" is not definitely appropriate to me, I think). But the conclusion is what we all already perceive: an acceleration of speed in our life...well, at least, the digital life

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  • Scott Brinker I'm Scott Brinker, a marketing technologist with [ n > 15 ] years experience at the intersection of marketing, IT, software product development, and online networks. I'm currently the president & CTO of ion interactive, a company that delivers post-click marketing software and services. (Note: the postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent ion's positions, strategies, or opinions.) Previously, I ran a technology consultancy with clients such as Fujitsu, CBS Sportsline, Siemens, and Tribune. Before that, I was president of Galacticomm, a leading provider of bulletin board software (in the days before the Web). I have a BS in Computer Science from Columbia University and an MBA from MIT Sloan. You can reach me at: sbrinker [at] chiefmartec.com.

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