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A few days ago I read Scott Brinker's interesting post about "Marketing Automation and Jurassic Park". In his post Scott points out the irony that many Marketing Automation vendors claim to simplify marketing but he perceives that in fact this... [Read More]

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Jon Miller, VP Marketing, Marketo

Scott --

Very nice analogy! I work for a marketing automation vendor, but I'm also a physicist by training and have studied chaos extensively. It was exactly the kind of complexity you describe -- in particular the fact that end-users and third parties introduce unpredictability into the equation, and the interaction effects between programs -- that led us at Marketo to create a different type of user experience for marketing automation.

Marketing automation software can make the specific tasks of marketing easier, but it won't ever make marketing itself easy.

Scott Brinker

Thanks, Jon.

What a great combination -- marketer and physicist! I love it.

Will definitely be interesting to see how products in your space evolve. Sounds like you've got some novel ideas to embrace the complexity. That is, in my opinion, possibly the most fruitful area of innovation ahead of us. Good luck!

Maria Pergolino

I think that you have to start with a strategic approach to your marketing automation so that it doesn't get too out of control or overwhelming. If your marketing systems get to the point where you can't see the outcome of testing because of overly segmented offers or if you can't clearly report marketing results to your board then you have gone too far.

Marketing automation should allow you to simplify some tasks so you can push other areas further. For example, you can automate re-marketing efforts so that you can spend more time analyzing the effects of your re-marketing. And it allows marketers to put metrics to their actions so they know if their re-marketing efforts are working or just a wasted effort.

This new complexity is what excites the best marketers, driven to improve the results of their campaigns and prove the value of their efforts and contribution to the revenues generated by their organization.

I think what is important here is to recognize that it can get overcomplicated and complex and that there is a need to create structure around your campaigns and standard reporting so that you don’t lose sight of the aspects of it that are most important.

Thanks for a great post with an amusing reference to one of my favorite movies! :-)

Scott Brinker

Hi, Maria. I agree that this new era is certainly exciting, opening the door to a whole level of marketing performance (and accountability) -- if marketers leverage it correctly.

I think you're on the right track: organizing management principles and heuristics to recognize the complexity and structure your strategies accordingly.

It will be very interesting to see the best practices that emerge around marketing automation. It's still such a young field that we've only started to scratch the surface.

marketing automation

Scott,

Thanks for the analogy, I wish they'd make more Jurassic Park films ;-). I agree with you on some of your points. In particular, the easier it is to create more lead nurturing campaigns the more complex marketing becomes.

One obvious solution is to not over complicate the concept of lead nurturing. Many companies use lead nurturing to automate, personalize, and route responses to web form submissions - and that's it. I agree with Howard Sewell of Spear Marketing, 80% of the benefit of lead nurturing comes from the first 20% of effort (http://spearmarketing.com/blog/lead-nurturing-the-8020-rule/). It's the marketing automation vendors responsibility to train their customers to start simple and, if necessary, expand their lead nurturing campaigns.

Kindly note, lead nurturing (as well as marketing automation) are a just a few features of what we call refer to as "revenue generation software". There are a host of other features that simplify marketing processes such as lead generation, landing page creation, web form design, lead qualification, email marketing, and a number of other capabilities. The key point is these features automate what most marketers do manually today. I liken it to a stick shift transmission. If everyone drove a stick shift I'm convinced driving be a complex process and we'd have many more accidents on the roads. Fortunately, we've got automatic transmissions that operate the car in the same way - but automates shifting, making it easy for the drivers.

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  • Scott Brinker I'm Scott Brinker, a marketing technologist with [ n > 15 ] years experience at the intersection of marketing, IT, software product development, and online networks. I'm currently the president & CTO of ion interactive, a company that delivers post-click marketing software and services. (Note: the postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent ion's positions, strategies, or opinions.) Previously, I ran a technology consultancy with clients such as Fujitsu, CBS Sportsline, Siemens, and Tribune. Before that, I was president of Galacticomm, a leading provider of bulletin board software (in the days before the Web). I have a BS in Computer Science from Columbia University and an MBA from MIT Sloan. You can reach me at: sbrinker [at] chiefmartec.com.

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