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chris Jangelov

I feel sorry for those companies that let IT run the web. The web is about running the business. Since it is virtual it lends itself to more rapid changes than other infrastructure like buildings, assembly lines, LAN structure etc.
However, my 2 cents would be to argue that marketing and sales are only one part of the website / web releations. You have to build all functions the company excercises on the web too. For instance Customer Support and Customer Relations. There is a difference between new sales and the aftermarket.
On top of that there are some things within Customer Relations that are (only) possible using the web: Added values like White Papers, Seminars, Videos, Screen Casts and so on. This also includes (business)knowledge sharing.
As I see it the there need to be a second copy of each company on the web and neither IT nor Marketing are fit to be the sole responsible departments.
For the time being I would argue for a supporting "Web Department" because of the rapid developent in the area. In my experience IT and Marketing have too many other responsibilities to be able to keep up with this developement. So far.

Jill Whalen

What a great explanation of the problems. Certainly anyone who's ever tried to get some SEO recommendations implemented on a fairly large company's website has had to deal with this.

The way you've explained it makes a lot of sense. A marketing technologist role within these companies would seem to help solve a lot of the problems.

Doug McArthur

Funny that you should get into the difference between marketing and IT, I just wrote about that a few months ago. Check it out.

http://www.canadaswebshop.com/story;story,58;Why-the-IT-Department-Shouldn%27t-Run-Your-Website

Mike Seddon

Excellent article. You've hit the nail on the head.

I agree with Jill's comments. They apply equally well with trying to run Adwords campaigns.

Testing new landing pages for Adwords campaigns can be interesting at times especially when radical changes to the web page design are called for.

Usually it's an IT person who controls the web design template and trying to get them to see the marketing angle to the changes you need to introduce to "just a few pages but not the whole site" requires a certain degree of patience and persistance.

I know, in a previous life I used to be that IT guy :)

Scott Brinker

Thanks for the great comments!

Chris, you make an excellent point: the challenges of balancing competing priorities clearly extends beyond marketing and IT into customer support, sales, operations/fulfillment, HR, investor relations, etc. I like your idea of a "web department", kind of a Switzerland of a fractured corporate web space. A slightly different approach, however, might be to make the web space in a company even *more distributed*, giving departments even more control over their individual pieces -- and reserving coordination for just enough of the technical, user experience, and organizational continuity to make it seamless from an outside user's perspective. Both approaches have the same goal: reduce bottlenecks, enhance agility.

Jill, I can imagine that SEO is probably *the most* challenging collaboration for marketing/IT, since it intertwines both technical setup and publishing processes with the need for a tremendous amount of marketing effort for information architecture and content strategies -- across a company's entire web universe. And it's not a one-time deployment, but a constantly evolving landscape. I agree, a strong marketing technologist should have SEO near the top of their list and should be able to accelerate that ongoing mission.

Doug -- great post of yours. Thank you for sharing.

Mike, seeing the success of IT and software folks cross-over into marketing -- not common yet, but usually quite successful when it happens -- is very much the inspiration of formalizing a chief marketing technologist role. As for testing new landing pages for AdWords campaigns, especially when radical ideas need to be explored: I don't mean to plug my company too much here, but the landing page management SaaS we developed was built with that exact challenge in mind. More broadly, I think these independent technology sandboxes -- as long as they adhere to certain standardized rules that a company needs to maintain globally -- can help make a company's online presence more scalable by being more distributed.

Jill Whalen

Yeah, it's so much a problem with SEO that we've found one of our main roles is to try and bridge that IT/Marketing gap by doing some in-house classes about SEO with both teams in the room.

If you can get both IT and Marketing excited about SEO and also to understand their respective roles, a lot more usually gets accomplished.

David Miller

I am in I.T. and the one things I find very irritating is when marketing strike deals with affiliates on systems that are brand new concepts. They then turn around and say "This needs to be done urgently". Everything is so urgent. Ring any bells?

I.T. is about prioritizing. It makes I.T. very un-productive as you find yourself having projects being constantly interupted. This is not the way I.T. works and marketing people should respect that.

I disagree with the first poster chris. I.T. should call the shots / advise etc... as we are the ones that have the technical know-how and also look after and fix it when it all goes wrong.

What is needed is a 'Business Anaylst' from the I.T. department will go and speak to the people involved in the Marketing department. They create a specifiaction and when both departments agree on the specification the I.T. department starts work on it.

Change this, change that every other day to see if we can increase the traffic by 1%. God it is so irritating.

I'm sorry but trial and error marketing means that the marketing is rubbish and needed to be properly planned and thought out from the beginning before asking I.T. to make changes to a live system / website etc...

There thats my rant over, don't really care what your comments are as I have worked in I.T. for 20 years or so and I know that I am right, especially when I have met so many other I.T. Professional who feel eactly the same if not stronger.

David

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