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September 28, 2008

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Marcel LeBrun

Hi Scott,
Great post and a great question. The word "management" can be tricky in this context. While companies do need to manage (i.e. coordinate) their interactions online, it shouldn't be about managing/controlling the conversation itself. I stay away from the term "social media management" for that very reason - that some might think we are trying to manage the conversation.

It is most certainly possible for a brand to participate in social media in a genuine, authentic and coordinated approach. A great example is Dell which participates genuinely, helps it customers, and engages in conversations that are of interest to their customers.

Their approached is described in this post on Direct2Dell: "Dell and Radian6 - It all starts with listening". ( added the link to this post in the URL under my name).

Our platform, Radian6, does social media monitoring & analysis plus we also offer optional interaction management features for companies to coordinate and track their online interactions (yes, this includes measurement). We also uniquely track social media metrics (or social marketing metrics as you describe above) - and we track them dynamically as they change over time. These are very useful for measurement & analysis and also for identifying/prioritizing interactions if you are a brand with a significant conversation volume.

So, that is my long winded way of answering your question with, "I think so too".

Regards,
Marcel
CEO, Radian6
www.radian6.com

Mike Spataro

Scott,

Very interesting post. It's been our experience that brands are extremely interested in a holistic approach that helps them "manage" their internal process from monitoring to measurement to participation. Anything short of that is simply not going to work for them on a long-term basis. Brands can remain transparent and authentic in their social media efforts and still leverage software to help them accomplish their goals. Like Marcel says, vendors like us just enable these brands to be more efficient in their efforts. Thanks for the mention.

Mike

Scott Brinker

Marcel -- thank you for sharing the Dell case study and some information about your company, Radian6. I do believe that monitoring and analysis are crucial, the logical first beachhead for social media management software. But I am even more intrigued by your optional "interaction management" features, as that sounds like it's going further in the direction I'm wondering about: tools that directly focus on coordination challenges in large social media marketing teams.

I completely agree with you that managing (coordinating) the team is different than trying to manage (control) the conversation in the social sphere itself. It will be fascinating to see how companies get better at the former without slipping into the latter.

Scott Brinker

Mike -- the features of TruCast mentioned on your web site for participation planning, assigning conversations to subject experts, and managing workflow are exactly the type of features I'm talking about. I'll be very interested to see how your products continue to advance on that dimension. Good luck!

Cari

Scott,

We are starting a buzz marketing company that is very similar to the companies you listed, but our focus is on small and medium businesses. Buzz.io is working as an agency now, but in the next couple months we will be releasing a consumer version of our software. It monitors and measures relevant online conversations for companies that can’t afford our full service.

Our purpose is for our clients to have real and meaningful conversations with their customers. And we agree with you that social media marketing can be genuine and coordinated,authentic and efficient. That's why we're here.

Cari

Chel

I think also that the monitoring and management need to go beyond social media.

You want to manage more than social media statistics and tracking. Expand your efforts by getting into blog relationship management without using spreadsheets to keep track of everything.

Subscribers, tracking and comments are some of the most important metrics. In addition, keeping track of who is talking about you so you can respond is pretty key in brand management.

shamset tabrejee

its interesting

Glyn

Great post. Lots of interesting points to discuss. I'm overdue here but next time I'll catch you in my reader!

Brand engagement in a buzz word in social media and is very much touted to companies that specialise in exploiting Social Media for commercial purposes.

Facebook today is getting rid of it's chief financial officer, and are not expanding as much as they would like. They have annual revenues of estimated to be $250 million to $300 million last year alone.

I think that it is a clear indication that very pertinent element of social media interaction at a brand level, is the level of risk. What do we as a brand risk by engaging audiences on social media? What are the competitive advantages of engaging in these platforms in a commercial context.

Social Media Networks (SMN) are a new form of community, and a body of research is growning but not yet in a position to inform the impact of business decisions.

Bret Phillips

Really good post Scott. I find it interesting that this was written so long ago and we are still trying to find solutions today.

It has been nice to see how different social marketing management companies are building their systems around the fast paced and quickly changing world of social media.

I've been doing research on many of them trying to find something that fits well both with large companies and organizations, as well as small businesses and solo entrepreneurs who are more of my target market.

What I am finding is either free service that are not very helpful, really pricey services that do 'everything' so to speak, but nothing right in the middle that gives the kind of statistical data that most people are looking for.

As for your final question "genuine and coordinated, authentic and efficient?", I do believe that it can be, but is not quite there yet.

We are going to need more time to learn how to measure results from these services, figure out how to allow multiple people to access that information quickly, streamline and easy solution for the next action, and keep track of the path taken.

Thanks for stimulating my brain :)

Bret

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  • Scott Brinker I'm Scott Brinker, a marketing technologist with [ n > 15 ] years experience at the intersection of marketing, IT, software product development, and online networks. I'm currently the president & CTO of ion interactive, a company that delivers post-click marketing software and services. (Note: the postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent ion's positions, strategies, or opinions.) Previously, I ran a technology consultancy with clients such as Fujitsu, CBS Sportsline, Siemens, and Tribune. Before that, I was president of Galacticomm, a leading provider of bulletin board software (in the days before the Web). I have a BS in Computer Science from Columbia University and an MBA from MIT Sloan. You can reach me at: sbrinker [at] chiefmartec.com.

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